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RANDY'S LAW [by Anonymous Citizen on August 27, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
My name is Laura Bailey. I am Randy's oldest sister. Words can never truly express how this law has burdened our family. How do you explain to your children that their uncles adult "step-children" who knew of their mothers plans to have him murdered, never came forward. Plus when she did commit the crime they assisted her in the cover up and are now free to walk among us while we go about our daily life. ALL adults must be accountable for their actions!! We must send a message so no one ever will have to experience what our family and families before us have had to go through. Please pass Randy's Law, it is the right thing to do. This is for you, Randy. Love,
your big sis.

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randys law [by Anonymous Citizen on August 27, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
whats wrong with this picture? Two adult children walk away free of charges for hwelping helping their mother kill her husband. Please, please, make randys law, a reality so this doesn't happen again. the hurt, agony and frustration the ferguson family has endured over the last couple years is horrendous and mind numbing. randy you will be in our hearts forever, we love you randy.
your uncle and aunt
sandy and mary ferguson
oxnard,ca
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Randy's Law [by Anonymous Citizen on August 27, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
Adults should be held accountable for the actions they take. No other families need to feel the betrayal this family has felt from the legal system that is supposed to hand out justice.
Jennifer Skol
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Randy's Law [by Anonymous Citizen on August 26, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
I’m a supporter of “Randy’s Law” because I believe that anyone over the age of 18 who renders criminal assistance in helping a parent cover up a violent crime should be charged with a felony. Lew Cox, Violent Crime Victim Services
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Please pass Randy's Law [by bettyb@webaccess.net on August 26, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
I was surprised when learning of
the existance of such a law. I am a
sister-in-law of one of Randy's
sisters. I only met Randy once or
twice but have seen the damage this
senseless crime did to his family.
All adults are responsible for their
actions and their relationship to the victim and
they must be accountible for their
actions. Why should someone be allow-
to go free when their sister lives the
rest of her life wondering why this
terrible crime was committed against
her Dad and they helped in his death.
Thank you for your consideration in
changing this law so that there will
be "justice for all."
Elizabeth Batchelder Puyallup WA


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Randy's Law [by kathy.evans on August 26, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
Please pass this law. Protection of adults because they assisted a parent in committing a crime is just wrong. Adults should be responsible for their own behavior. If they are influenced or coerced by a parent, their responsibility is not diminished. I have seen the pain that my brother's wife and her family have suffered due to her brother's murder. To see Randy's step children go unpunished just adds to their pain. Kathy Evans (sister-in-law to Randy's sister)
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[by Anonymous Citizen on August 26, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5318 (Participating in the management of Washington's portion of the Yukon to Yellowstone Rocky mountain ecosystem.)
blamelessness equaling functioning:battlefronts Jesse:usability practiced heaved
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"RANDY'S LAW" [by Anonymous Citizen on August 25, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
I believe in JUSTICE being served. If you commit a crime you deserve to get full punishment regardless of your relationship to the victim or others committing the crime. If you are a minor under the age of 18 and were cohersed into committing a crime then yes you should be protected by the House Bill 2868 "Randy's Law"! Every adult (age 18) needs to be held responsible for their own actions. If commit you pay!!! All children know how to say No for everything else in life; so being cohersed into a crime can easily be walked away from helping commit. Those adult children need to be punished just like their mother for committing a brutal crime such as aiding in the killing of their step father. Please honor HB 2868 "Randy's LAW" so others do not have to grieve like the Ferguson Family. Thank you!!! Michelle Hamilton
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Randy's law [by dawnmarie72 on August 25, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
My name is Dawn Marie Patterson and I along with the rest of my family and friends believe this bill needs to be past. We have had to deal with seeing these adult children walking around town living their lives as if they did nothing! When we know what part they had in helping their mother cover up a murder. We had to sit in a court room a watch them get no more than a slap on the wrist and that is just plain wrong. Please help us pass this bill so no other families has to go thru what our family has. Thank Dawn Patterson
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Randy's Law [by Anonymous Citizen on August 25, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
As a citizen I want our courts and legislators to know that we are standing behind this law. We are standing for justice and truth. A family of five who believes in our court system and believes that G-d has all things in His hands, but we as people need to stand with justice to know that justice is served to those who deserve it. Thou shall not commit murder is one of the foundational laws of hummanity. Every person of age knows from the bottom of their being that it is wrong to murder. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions. G-d will serve justice from heaven, but we should serve justice from the earth.
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Randy's Law [by Anonymous Citizen on August 25, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
We did not know Randy, however we cannot even fatham how this could happen. Please pass this law. Everyone involved with a crime, needs to be held accountable!!
Greg and Cassie Meacham
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anonymous citizen [by Anonymous Citizen on August 25, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
We did not know Randy, however we cannot even fatham how this could happen. Please pass this law. Everyone involved with a crime, needs to be held accountable!!
Greg and Cassie Meacham
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RANDYS LAW [by Anonymous Citizen on August 24, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
my name is pat mccasey from meaquite tx. I am randys aunt I can not understand how my nephews adult step kids got away with helping their mother cover up his murder, they are grown adults that knew from right an wrong.but still you let them get away with it. I would like to see you pass RANDYS LAW so other familys dont have to hurt like my familys are going thru right now.
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Randy's Law [by Anonymous Citizen on August 24, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
I think that if somebody who commits a crime over the age of 18 should be held accountable for their actions. These are two competent adults who should have had their day in court. It should not matter if they were related or not. These two individuals knew what their mother did was wrong and not only did they help her but they lied to police to cover it up. If we allow such an injustice to continue what kind of precedence are we setting for the youth in this state? This is a loophole that needs to be fixed. I urge you to right this wrong so future families will not have to suffer the indignity that the Ferguson family has had to face. (Chris Martin)
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Friends of the family [by Anonymous Citizen on August 24, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
We are friends of the family and have seen the pain in the eyes of Randy's mother and father. Parents always think their children will never die before them. Sometimes, there is no choice because of illness. This however was an act of hate that took their son from them. Randy's wife was the one with so much hate she convinced her adult children to help her. She has been held accountable for his death but her grown children have not been held accountable for their part in the murder of Randy. The law states because they were the children of the murderer they cannot be held liable for their part. How foolish is this law!! If they helped a stranger they would be accomplices but not if they help their parent. This is "outragious"!! Randy is gone but in his name he can still help others. Please pass Randy's Law.
Larry and Sue Snoke
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Over Due? [by Anonymous Citizen on August 23, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5475 (Banning assault weapons)
How could this be a step in the right direction? Making it illegal to own firearms will not do our state or country any good. It is far more easy to obtain an illegal firearm than to get one legally. And for the most part people who are buying them legally do not intend to use them illegally. the criminals in our society will get them one way or another and i for one enjoy the right to defend myself against those who may want to hurt me or god forbid my family.
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Another Complete Waste of Money [by Anonymous Citizen on August 21, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5053 (Creating the office of the ombudsman for workers of industrial insurance self-insured employers.)
The first question legislators should ask themselves when they hear the word "Ombudsman" is what process is broken and why isn't it being fixed and why is someone asking to spend taxpayer dollars for an additional agency on top of an agency (or two) and why doesn't someone have the courage to wave the BS Flag!!
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G4G [by Anonymous Citizen on August 21, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5295 (Creating an office of corrections ombudsman.)
If it says Ombudsman then it is a prime example of Government on Governments. Something is broken and needs to be fixed, not by creating another government agancy
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Friends and Family [by Anonymous Citizen on August 21, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1192 (Authorizing the governor to appoint the director of parks and recreation.)
I wonder who she has in mind behind on this one? Is she getting behind on her political paybacks?
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Rant 101 [by Anonymous Citizen on August 21, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1588 (Providing mobility education to students in driver training programs.)
This is like WWU's parking committee... not a single member drives, they all ride their bikes... your'll never guess the outcomes...
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Randys Law [by Anonymous Citizen on August 21, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)

My name is Paul Dunsford and my wife Florence joins me in this comment relative to HB 2868 "Randy's Law.

We live in Michigan and Randy Ferguson was our nephew. It is most difficult to explain here the
depth of agony we have experienced in watching our Washington (Puyallup) family struggle in the loss of their son, brother, uncle and most of all father to his 4 year old daughter. Randy was brutally murdered by his wife with the assistance of her two adult age children with the result being the children could not be prosecuted due to their relationship with their murdering mother. We plead with our family for the passing of HB2868
to include persons under the age of 18 to be held equally responsible when a horrific crime such as this is committed.

Please pass this bill in memory of our beloved Randy.

Thank you,

Paul & Florence Dunsford
Marlette, Michigan
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i'm sorry you are so angry [by Anonymous Citizen on August 18, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 3104 (Expanding rights and responsibilities for domestic partnerships)
i can tell when someone is angry by the way they use capital letters and exclamation points.
it is best to write/type after you calm a bit, so when you respond it is kind, well-thought out, and civil.
that goes for all sides.
now, if you do not know someone, please do not call them a bigot.
i do not know the person you called that, but there is a very good chance that they are not.
big·ot:Origin: 1590–1600,derogatory name applied by the French to the Normans!
interesting to search the actual definitions of words so popular today to insite attacks and rage, isn't it?
also, if you hope to make your point get across to a person who holds already a strong view in opposition to your own, it does not aid you at all to lower yourself to name-calling, right?
right or wrong, an angry aggressive person appears wrong.
let's debate instead!
by the way, it is indeed possible to not approuve of a behavior or action, and still care about and respect the person who does the act.
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Margarita Prentice [by Anonymous Citizen on August 15, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1243 (Providing an affirmative defense to unlawful internet gambling if the defendant committed the offense in his or her primary residence.)
Margarita Prentice sponsored the original SB6613 bill. She has numerous backers in the casino industry in this state and only passed the law for her special interest gurus. ELECT HERE OPPONENT JUAN MARTINEZ FOR STATE SENATE!
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Reply to Angry Driver [by Anonymous Citizen on August 13, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5088 (Regulating ferry queues.)
My husband and I decided to go to the beach for the weekend 8/9/08 and took the Edmonds Ferry. When we turned a corner there were cars backed up on the right, in line for the ferry. Since we didn't want to rear-end the car in front of us we immediately got into the left lane. I told my husband (both of us unaware "ferry etiquite") "Maybe someone will let you in." The line started to move and we got once again into the right lane. Minutes later not one but two pepole rapped my window irate at us for "cutting in line." We then got out of line and made a u-turn and went to the back of the line. We eventually ended up on the same ferry as the people who were ticked off at us. We had no mal intent of saving time we only wanted to get in line. We appologize for upsetting anyone and won't do it again!
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I want to marry my dog [by Anonymous Citizen on August 11, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 3104 (Expanding rights and responsibilities for domestic partnerships)
and I want my dog to have the same rights as a spouse would have.

Do ya think that in maybe 10 years the insanity that we are living under in 2008 will have abated and we can get back to normal?

Meaning, when are we going to start caring about the lives and futures of children rather than basing our entire world view on adult sexual preferences?

Kids need a mother and a father and not two homosexuals pretending to be normal people or a man and a woman who have a child out of wedlock and then have multiple partners coming and going out of the house.

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Randys Law [by ljmoore65 on August 10, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2868 (modify the definition of relative for the purpose of rendering criminal assistance)
My name is Lisa Moore I am the sister of Randall Ferguson who was murdered over two years ago. I am the one fighting to have this bill passed. My brothers wife killed him and was sentenced to 27 years and her two adult children were involved in rendering criminal assistance and because of the way this law is written they received no jail or prison time. I believe this is wrong. The way the law is written it says the children were influenced by the mother there for they are not held accountable. There is no age limit on this law and I want to put an age limit of 18. These children were 19 and 21 years old and if it was anyone else not a relative we would be looking at several years in prison. It should not matter if you are related to the killer. Hold them accountable. I am raising my brothers only little girl whom was in the house at the time of the murder.
She dosent understand why they are not in jail too. They should be. She was 4 years old at the time. What are we saying that if your mother murders and you assist her its ok because she was your mother? At age 18 you vote, you drive a car you can fight in a war and in any other crime you would be held accountable.This law needs to be passed. One of the children helped stuff my brothers 280 pound body in the trunk of a car and they both destroyed evidence and lied to the police for 6 days.They helped clean a murder scene and just did things that should be punishable by the law. To know that they are just walking in the world not being held responsible for there part is an additional pain to have to deal with. I cant be the only one to think this is wrong and I knew nothing about this law until my brother was murdered. I dont think many if anyone knows about this law. Thank you Randall Fergusons sister Lisa Moore.
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tell your reps [by Anonymous Citizen on August 10, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
educate your representatives on this matter. let them know we are mad and want this reversed.
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Look at the bigger picture [by Anonymous Citizen on August 7, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2422 (Prohibiting the sale of petroleum-based water bottles)
I think we're missing her point. Rep. Chase has proposed a ban starting in 2010. That gives the manufacturers several years to come up with another option- corn-based for example. Unfortunately people are too lazy to recycle all their bottles- take one look at the garage cans at the stadium after a game. Eight out of 10 plastic water bottles become landfill waste (earth911.org). Next it might be Styrofoam- which we should be avoiding like the plaque. American is *quite* behind in getting green. Moves like this are actually overdue! Kudos Rep. Chase!
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Paying to vote [by Anonymous Citizen on August 7, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1011 (Revising provisions relating to alien firearm licenses.)
It may sound petty, but why are we required to spend money on stamps to send in our ballots? I always thought that it was a right to vote and that I should NEVER have to pay ANYTHING for that right (although I did my service in the Army)so why are we Washington state residents required to put a stamp on the return envelope containing our ballot? It even says "First class postage required" right on it! Shouldn't this fall under the same heading as "Business reply mail"? Just curious.... any other states have to do this?
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MARGARITA PRENTICE [by Anonymous Citizen on August 4, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
SOMEONE SHOOT MARGARITA PRENTICE! SHE IS IN THE POCKETS OF ALL THE BIG CASINOS IN OUR STATE.

TURN OUT TO THE POLLS AND GET HER OUT OF OFFICE!
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fool [by Anonymous Citizen on August 2, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1011 (Revising provisions relating to alien firearm licenses.)
That's cuz those legal immigrants are law abiding and you are a felon.
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Duhhhhh [by Anonymous Citizen on August 2, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2420 (Establishing a carbon tax.)
I thought we were talking about Global Warming. I guess you are doing what your kind does best. Bait and Switch.
Try sticking to the topic. Even when your arguments are full of holes.
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alternate perspective [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2422 (Prohibiting the sale of petroleum-based water bottles)
Speaking of ignorance on the part of public and politicians, I would like to offer a food for thought to balance the views. Plastic bottles and packages, as far as I understand it technically, have been actually saving energy and friendlier to the landfills compared to alternative packaging which they replace. Glass and aluminum bottles, for example, have much higher impact on the use of energy and landfills. Can you melt plastic with a match? Try doing that on glass. I cannot think of a single alternative packaging which presents less impact on environment than plastics. The corn based bottles have a potential once the technology gets perfected.. i.e. reliable shelf life, etc. The real focus should be education on recycling. Banning something because it is easy to do politically often has the opposite effect in real life. This type of short-sightedness is unfortunate part of our political thinking process.
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childrens rights [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
What about the good grandparent? The nana that the grandchildren love so much and every time thay leave her home, beg to stay, cry. The one's who hate the stepmother to be. The ones who refer to thier home "as her home" and not daddy's and thiers. The small children who have always had nana and now are being alienated from her, because dad says" I have started a new life? Well just because you start a new life, dosen't mean the old one stops. I have been there since those babies popped into the birthing room and I won't ever stop being thier fun nana. And remember, you too, will become grandparents some day. SAD SAD SAD NANA
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Wrong! [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If somebody lacks self-control, and will gamble too much; making them drive for four hours won't curtail it much. By waiting they'll just build up the anticipation and spend too much when they get there. Besides, if you had ever visited an online casino you'd know that they have, especially Poker, micro-stakes. With these players only wager a few cents or a dollar at a time. In real casinos you might pay a minimum of $10 to $20 just to get into a hand! So, in conclusion, I think you have shown very little understanding of this subject by commending this law. If you had just banged on a Bible and said "Gambling goes against God's word, and therefore is wrong!" I would have agreed more with that opinion more than the one you gave.
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Chris Hurst- [by Anonymous Citizen on July 30, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2707 (allowing consumers to participate in secondary markets for frequent flier miles)
Please tell Washington State residents why you're really pushing for HB 2707!




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World on a Diet [by Anonymous Citizen on July 25, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2420 (Establishing a carbon tax.)
What Al Gore does doesn't matter. All you ned to do is open your eyes and see how large the world population is. How much resouces, food, energy, etc it takes to sustain this population and factor in all the garbage and toxic waste the entire world produces and tries to either bury in the ground where it gets into the water table, toxic fumes in the air we breath, and in the ocean kiloing the sea life or poosioning what we eat.

Does it make sense to dump waste in your living room> That's what we all do everyday.
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Global Warming is indeed a Farce [by Anonymous Citizen on July 23, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2420 (Establishing a carbon tax.)
It is the greatest scam and con game ever played by any government to regulate all commerce and hoodwink the people into higher taxes, more restrictive laws, and ultimately, slavery.

Google "31,000 Scientists warming"

If you think I'm just one of those right wing sticks in the mud, go ahead, bury your head in the sand and follow the rest of the lemmings over the cliff. Again, I say...just type "31,000 scientists warming" into your google search engine and you will quickly see why I and others who can see past Al Gore and all his bulls**t simply refuse to play dead and let the government enslave us and our economy.

Help fight Organized Crime...Do not re-elect incumbant politicians.
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Al Gore does not matter [by Anonymous Citizen on July 23, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2420 (Establishing a carbon tax.)
What some one else does should have no effect on your own ethics... Al Gore may or may not walk the walk. It does not matter. Even if he uses hyperbole in his message it does not matter. All politicians exagerate one way or the other. Try Bush with the gitmo treatment. Does not change the fact that there may be some truth to the success of "modified interogation" or whatever. We just do not know the facts on that debate. However...

www.ipcc.ch

There is a majority consensus about climate change in the scientific community. Harvard has signed onto emmission reductions because they see an imminent threat. Even if global warming is not a "fact" it is statistically a strong possibility. The planet is not something to just mess with on ifs and maybes. If there is chance, just a chance, we are screwing our children out of a decent habitat, we should change our ways.
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fanciful myths [by Anonymous Citizen on July 23, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2420 (Establishing a carbon tax.)
I have heard through the grape vine that al gore drives a suv and owns a oil company.any truth to this?if so it seems ridiculous that these people are always in the media talking smack about the sky is falling oops I mean the climate is changing.i've also heard that there are scientist that have debunked the idea of global warming.its a hoax to rob the poor of more cash.I'm not on board.
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Vote them OUT [by Anonymous Citizen on July 23, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1011 (Revising provisions relating to alien firearm licenses.)
This State needs a political REHAB. Another example of the looney liberal left. I went around in circles for over a year just trying to get the right to duck hunt with my son. I pay my taxes, lots of them. Cant vote. But my wife can. And she will.

Goodbye Governor
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A concerned citizen [by Anonymous Citizen on July 22, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5113 (Regarding rainwater collection)
The extra trouble to remove the law would be more effective.
All laws are imposing, to make a new one to remove an old one may be easier, but still allows it to even be changed.
It is correctly stated that the new law would remove aquiring a permit to collect rain water, however, it is a new law and subject to change. Take the extra time, the extra effort, the extra work, the extra whatever, and just remove the old law.
The easy way out. How sad.



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SB 6202 [by Anonymous Citizen on July 19, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6202 (Homeowners’ Associations)
Has this been enacted? I live at Indian Springs Village in Vancouver, WA. We currently have a dispute over a special assessment. The HOA board of directors (of which I am a current member) has decided to fight with homeowner members that dispute the validity of the special assessment approval. The board knows that many of our older residents cannot afford to fight so they are moving forward in saying that the vote for the special assessment passed. Is there a way to help these people in their argument? I personally feel the vote for it is invalid.
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CONTACT YOUR REP [by Anonymous Citizen on July 17, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
I just wrote to my representative Judy Clibborn and she informed me that the representatives were told this law would align them with federal law. She was shocked to learn that this goes way beyond federal law. You need to contact your state legislature people! CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVE TODAY AND LET THEM KNOW THIS LAW IS RIGHT OUT OF IRANIAN TYRANNY!
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Who's forcing? [by Anonymous Citizen on July 15, 2008]
about 2008 Senate Bill 6522 (Providing collective bargaining for child care center staff )
The last time I checked, people can choose what they want to do with their money. AFT is not forcing anyone to give anything they don't want to give, that's the point of this bill. It's meant for the workers to make their own decisions. This union is not about making people do anything, it's all about choice and action to cause change.
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Money Back to the Economy? Huh?? [by Anonymous Citizen on July 14, 2008]
about 2005 House Bill 1176 (Allowing motorcycles between lanes during congestion)
"You're already putting the $200 into the local economy, but spending it on gas and parking. So the local economy would most likly be losing money, as you'd probably see to save some of that for vacation or spending outside the region.

I'm all for lane sharring, but just pointing out the hole in your argument. "

Oh, come on... Think it *all* the way through - the $100 a month isn't lost to the parking attendant, someone else will (gladly) take the spot and pay it - not like there's a surplus of parking downtown is there?. The other $100 not spent on gas a month, even if spent "outside the region" will probably still go to someone in the State, or at least the US, not OPEC. And if that vacation is on the motorcycle, at 50 MPG, it could well end up being widely spent in the state or US..

See ya on the road.. probably in my rear-views...

-Steeley

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Safety - MC and Auto [by Anonymous Citizen on July 14, 2008]
about 2005 House Bill 1176 (Allowing motorcycles between lanes during congestion)
Having grown up and learning to drive (and ride) in California, I have a little experience on the topic of lane-splitting I can share..

First the joke "if you can't do 70mph bumper-to-bumper you got no business on the freeway" is not really a joke. A motorcycle sandwiched between two cars is ugly at any speed, but the problem is the one behind suddenly going significantly faster than the one in front.

Lane splitting isn't about reducing commute time, it's about safety. CHP statistics have shown for years their motorcycles were involved in fewer accidents, and those accidents were less severe, if they were "lane splitting" rather than riding in the lanes. My own experience echo's that.. I've been hit from behind in traffic by folks not paying attention, where the only altercation I ever had in between the lanes was by some fortunate fool trying to take me out. (I say "fortunate fool", as the third bike behind me in the line was a CHP motorcycle officer, the fool part was his window was down and I ended up halfway in his car ready to break his neck, I say fortunate because the officer stopped me from killing him and instead arrested *him* for attempted vehicular homicide.. he got off light considering)

Given that there's a whole lot more "cage" drivers out there totally oblivious to other vehicles around them (never mind motorcycles) my odds are much worse with them behind me in a lane (and we didn't have cell phones and ipods back then!) than up ahead crawling along in traffic.

I learned to ride bikes by riding in the dirt. I learned about people by riding bikes in traffic. I learned there is no such thing as an unavoidable accident on a motorcycle, and after 40 years riding I can honestly say I know what the people ahead are going to do often before they do.. rule #1 on motorcycles is never be surprised.. I expect people to turn in front of me, open their doors on side streets, run red lights.. I always leave plenty of escape-room ahead at a stop and have both eyes locked on the car coming up behind me.. I've driven out of 3 rear-end accidents that way (they still happened, I just wasn't in the middle of it - I escaped IN BETWEEN THE LANES!).

While lane-splitting, you've got one eye on the rear-view mirrors of drivers ahead, looking for that glance, the quick head-turn.. I can see what's behind them and their opportunities in the flow of traffic much better than they can - I know if (s)he is looking to bolt to the next lane, has room to speed up, is drifting left or right.. and can adjust accordingly.

I can't do squat about the knucklehead behind me checking the next lane for clearance or wiping up the latte (s)he just spilled on her faux-leather seat and oblivious that the traffic ahead is stopping, who never even sees that motorcycle disappearing under his or her hood ornament.

I'd also like to avoid the "unsafe driving" and "following too close" tickets I got two years ago when I had to jump between the lanes getting off I-90 in Issaquah to avoid being the meat in a motorcycle sandwich developing as traffic rapidly accordianed back up onto the freeway.
Not gonna argue with the young WSP officer over what was safer to do and what he thought he saw from a mile back or why being forced to stay in the lane caused the "following too close" in the first place. Cheaper to just pay the stupid things than what it would have cost me in lost wages fighting it. First ticket on a motorcycle for me since 1974.

Shorter commute time? Not the issue. Better gas milage on a motorcycle? That's not a factor really, although stopped in traffic, everybody's gas milage is 0 mpg, motorcycles included.

It's safety. Contrary to gut feelings, lane-splitting is safer.

Motorcyclists: it's spooky when you first start doing this, and you better have more than just 3 months (maybe even a couple years) experience riding your bike before you do this even if it becomes legal, because it demands control, judgement and attentiveness that you don't get just putting around on weekends. You need to be "zen" with the traffic flow.

Cage drivers: Don't be freaking out with that motorcycle coming up along side you, and don't complain about them passing you while you're stuck in traffic. The last thing you want is my Harley sitting along side you for any period of time in traffic.. you won't be able to hear the person you're talking to on the cell phone. Just let me go.. it's just your choice and my choice and there's no conflict.

"Steeley"




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Maybe [by Anonymous Citizen on July 11, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
Most grandparents are as you say.
But then there are some that are not. There are some that use the system to file false charges against the parent ending up in the children being put in foster care even after the parent went out of the way for the grandmother to see the children.
The Parent had to file contempt of court charges to get them returned just to have the grandmother file more abuse charges. Does a caring grandparent subject the child to what needs to be accomplished to file an abuse charge?
By the way the parent was found not guilty of the charges....
Now the grandparent still pushes in court battles.
Most all parents want the child to have a relationship with grandparents.
But if the parent who is a fit parent and was proven so feels that their children are in danger THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE VISITATION!!
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grandparent vs druggy grandparent [by Anonymous Citizen on July 9, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
does that give you more information, we have custody of grandchild she has been here since birth, she is now 5 yr.old we have sole custody... drug bust in other gp house she wants visitation does not deserve...........
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9304 please do not read this topic! [by Anonymous Citizen on July 8, 2008]
about 2003 Senate Bill 5559
have a nice day!
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You are so Wrong !!!!!! [by Anonymous Citizen on July 8, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
You must have no ideal, what real love is. You must have never had a good loving relationship with a grandparent. Sorry for you. Grandparents wipe away tears and listen when parents don't have the time or care.They see to it that grandchildren get to play and learn in many ways, that the parent don't have time for. You don't know what you are saying.
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Grandparents [by Anonymous Citizen on July 3, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
what about Grandparent vs Grandparent has anyone heard or know of a case? If you know please let us know......alabama
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Lane Spliting not what it appears... [by Anonymous Citizen on July 2, 2008]
about 2005 House Bill 1176 (Allowing motorcycles between lanes during congestion)
Lane Spliting apparently isn't as it appears, because it's SPLITTING-TWO T'S.

It may not be what it appears, but apparently illiteracy is....
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How did you get it. [by Anonymous Citizen on July 2, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5167 (Changing restrictions on firearm noise suppressors)
Do you think the King County Sheriff would sign an request for a private citizen to buy a surpressor, as I agree they are a safety tool as guns are loud and damage hearing. What county do you live in.
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uninsured motorist [by Anonymous Citizen on June 26, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5726 (Creating the insurance fair conduct act.)
In the case where a person is rear ended by an under/uninsured motorist, they would be filing a claim with their own insurance company. Also the at-fault party's insurance is under no obligation without a judgment. Many people go through their own ins. company so they only pay their deductable.
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Moving away? [by Anonymous Citizen on June 26, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1011 (Revising provisions relating to alien firearm licenses.)
As a fully legal, permanent resident of this country, and having recently moved to this state I am horrified to find out that I cannot pursue my favorite sport without a piece of paper which is impossible to get (and which I would get if it were possible, despite it being a farce). I have been fingerprinted, background checked, measured, interviewd and checked for diseases to find even the tiniest issue with my character in order to achieve my permanent residency - in short I'm as upstanding a person as you're likely to meet and I'll be applying for citizenship in a few years when I qualify, at which point I shall pursue a place on the US Olympic shooting team. With any sense of legal decency the law will be struck down after today's ruling by the Supreme Court - permanent residents have constitutional rights unless federal law explicitly excludes them from a specific clause.
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Out Of Control [by Anonymous Citizen on June 26, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
The bill on gambling only passed because it was stuck insides the port bill,and if the port bill does not pass some of our top people might go to jail for some of the things they were doing. its like not do what i do its do what i say. Bring the bill back and put it up for vote by its self.
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What can we do? [by Anonymous Citizen on June 25, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1011 (Revising provisions relating to alien firearm licenses.)
What do we have to do or who do we have to contact to change the application procedures for receiving an alien firearms license?
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grandparent rights [by Anonymous Citizen on June 21, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
I believe that grandchildren are often used as the pawns in a concerted effort to wield power and control over grandparents by emotionally immature parents. In most cases, children are being denied the right to visit a grandparent not out of love or concern for the child, but out of vindictiveness by a parent. Grandparents are an important and integral part of the social and emotional fabric of a child's life and if need be, should be protected by law.
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Ridiculous [by Anonymous Citizen on June 20, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
This bill is the most ridiculous thing ever. Most people play poker or gamble online and sometimes its not even real money its just for play and now they wont even lets us gamble with fake money. They let people gamble real money on horse races and in actual casinos but we cant play online. We should have a freedom to play wherever and whenever we want and for our own entertainment not even for real money. This new bill is just insane and dumb...they have nothing else to make illegal anymore that they decided to choose this..how pathetic.
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dog pooh [by Anonymous Citizen on June 19, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2424 (Regarding grocery checkout bags)
The problem is once you reuse the plastoc bag and toss the dog pooh...where do you think it goes? Does it magically disappear once you've tossed it? NO!

Take your dog pooh in a plastic bag multiple that by how many times you dog has to pooh. Now multiply that by everyone in the nation with a dog that poohs and you begin to see the extent of the problem.


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Biodegradable plastic bags [by Anonymous Citizen on June 18, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2424 (Regarding grocery checkout bags)
If we don't use plastic bags, how do we throw away garbage at home? What should we use to line our garbage cans?
Why can't we use those biodegradable plastic bags? I just check online. 500 biodegradable plastic grocery bags cost only $78.65. So that's like $0.16 each. If the supermarkets charges us for plastic bags, those bags better be biodegradable. Otherwise, why would I pay for something that's bad for our environment?
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Best Law Ever [by Anonymous Citizen on June 18, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
There are so many good reasons why this law helps society. If people are going to gamble they will gamble, even in Utah (where casinos and gambling is illegal) people drive a few hours sometimes every weekend to gamble in Wendover Nevada. I have never heard of anyone complaining of the casino being so far away because the majority of people that go don't come back with more money than when they started. The reason why this law is so commendable is because it helps reduce the temptation of gambling more often than usual. There are plenty of benefits to having access to the internet, having a personal casino is not one of them.
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OMG! [by Anonymous Citizen on June 17, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
Glad I'm not married to you bozo..if you solve all your marital disputes by beating your wife.

I make twice the money my husband makes that makes me entitled to spend it any way even some of it foolishly.
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ur wife is stupid [by Anonymous Citizen on June 16, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
its called self control and dicipline idiot.. dont blame online casinos for ur lost blame ur wife for spending money like that teach her how to control herself maybe a beating would do it!
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Cherokee Nation [by Anonymous Citizen on June 14, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5113 (Regarding rainwater collection)
I am native american can this horrible law effect me and my land?
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Wonderfully said! [by Anonymous Citizen on June 14, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5113 (Regarding rainwater collection)
We can not control nature. It can not be governed.
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I absolutely agree [by Anonymous Citizen on June 14, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5113 (Regarding rainwater collection)
What gives the government the right to outlaw the use of rain water on private property? This is a natural law. Natural resources cannot be regulated. Not on personal property. And if it can we are living in a communist nation. What ever happened to freedom?
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Global Warming. [by Anonymous Citizen on June 12, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2815 (greenhouse gas emissions and green collar jobs)
Google "31,000 scientists warming"
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If you raised them right... [by Anonymous Citizen on June 12, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
They might not be inclined to keep you from your grandchildren.

It's ultimately their decision to make.
Sometimes freedom has a cost... parental freedom
may cost the grandparents visitations, but that's
life... odds are if the grandparents are being excluded
it is their own fault.
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Once again people over animals [by Anonymous Citizen on June 12, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1756 (Authorizing one additional hound hunting cougar season.)
I cannot believe that this primitive way of hunting has been aproved once again! we must learn to share the land and its rescourses . This is not fair to any of the animals [cougars or the dogs] For a forward thinking society, this is a big step backwards
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How bout THIS carbon footprint? [by pjones on June 12, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2815 (greenhouse gas emissions and green collar jobs)
Come on now. In the 1970’s the earth was on the verge of a “Global Ice age” and swarms of ‘knowledgeable’ scientists, some who are still pontificating today on the warming craze, flocked to agree and predict the frozen demise of the earth and all because of mankind and our negative impact on the environment. Just as quick to swarm, were the politicians with their incessant drooling and endeavors to get their hands deeper in our pockets with tax after tax all touted to be able to correct man’s impact on the weather.

Then comes your Global Warming idiocy; and this time, our Carbon Footprint is to blame. Isn’t it interesting how every time, it’s the big brother government who offers the path to salvation, all for a ‘miniscule’ increase in taxes, regulations, and restrictions on the capital market. Lots of money to be made on this, (and the next) ‘taxable’ calamity they can brain wash you and your ilk into believing is caused by whatever. Even more money to be made by scaring the wits out of fools like you so you can dig your hand deeper into your pockets and dole out more tax money to fix another ‘scary’ problem that the almighty government promises to fix by coming to the rescue with taxes. What are they going to buy with that money? Why carbon credits of course! Then they can strike a bargain with ole mother nature, Satan, or whoever else pops up with a promise of salvation from the looming, man-made weather disaster.

The saddest point here, is that the vast hordes of sheep falling onto the bandwagon of Greenhouse gases and carbon footprints don’t even realize just how stooopid they sound. Bend over fool, I’ll give you a carbon footprint right in your “posterior rumpus endus” where you store your brain!

Notice now, how the story changes as science figures out that the world isn’t actually warming. Now, “Global Warming” has morphed into “Climate Change”…The next politically correct buzzword to frighten the witless out of more tax money.

There is just one other problem. Although it's obvious that thousands of scientists from multiple disciplines throughout the world couldn't be wrong, it now seems that they are. This is not the rant of some oil industry paid-for study, but the admission by none other than Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the IPCC, which represents over 2,500 environmental and climatological scientists.

It seems that, sadly, facts are stubborn little things that won't go away, and scientific measurement is far more accurate than man-made computer projections and theories.

The problem began with a long awaited set of studies of precise global ocean temperatures made by over 3000 buoys, combined with atmospheric measurements from no less than 8 orbiting NASA satellites. Our expectation was that this would really end the debate. The discussion would simply debate "just how bad is it?". It didn't turn out that way.

All of the instrumentation said the opposite. Global warming had inexplicably stopped, and the earth has been cooling slightly since the late 1990's and will continue to do so for at least the next 10 to 15 years. Impossible, you say? Well it seems that global warming researchers, while taken aback at the data, are still scientists. And scientists, while sometimes led astray, tend to stick with science, not political correctness or popular opinion.

That's the reason why the conclusions were not found by NASA or the Bush administration, by Exxon or by anti-global-warming forces, but by climate scientists themselves. A team led by none other than uber climate researcher Noel Keenlyside, supported by the UN's climate data analysis systems came to that conclusion. Faced with overwhelming evidence, Rajendra Pachauri admitted to Reuters earlier this year that there had been no global warming at any time in this century.

So does that mean that global warming was just a fantasy? Of course is isn't. That there's no need to reduce our carbon footprint? Absolutely not. But with American families reeling from 4 dollar gasoline that will just go higher, and a carbon footprint that punishes the most advanced nations while rewarding the worst polluters, it's time to take a common sense pause from this fanatical "they sky is burning" panic. It's time to plan a strategy that will work, not punish.

Let's begin with an idea I have to credit to columnist Charles Krauthammer who suggested that we adjust our gas tax to keep fuel at 4 dollars per gallon. That number seems to be the magic level that is effectively pushing Americans into smaller, more fuel efficient cars and reducing overall motor vehicle use. Voluntarily. Without government mandates. If we impose a similar tax on coal and natural gas, we'll find that home and office energy efficiency will be at the top of everyone's list. That tax money can then be mandated for use in alternative energy research and development.

Let's demand that the developing nations, including China and India place carbon emission reduction at the top of their national agendas as well. That alone will contribute substantially to a reduction in greenhouse emissions. And let's put some teeth behind that. While a tax on polluting Chinese goods may have other repercussions, we shouldn't allow other nations to blatantly despoil the atmosphere while we continue to fund their filthy manufacturing plants and punish our own families in the process.

Finally, let's get serious about alternative energy. Global warming isn't the problem. Oil and coal are. If we recognize that, and spend the money we're now wasting on politically correct half-hearted fixes, we'll have solutions that work. Not mindless ethanol, but real alternative energy that will stop the flow of oil and coal and in turn will take care of carbon emissions without artificial legislative mandates and partisan politics.

We've been given a break. Those who choose to accept science will see the window of opportunity to do this right for a change. Those who bury their head in the (warming) sand will live to see a nation still arguing over global warming, and suffering from ongoing draconian curbs 20 years from now.

Seize the opportunity created by this global cool off. It may not last, but it has given us the chance to change our world in an effective, intelligent way. Let's not blow it this time.


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Who cares? [by Anonymous Citizen on June 10, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5475 (Banning assault weapons)
So what if the creators of the Constitution didn't envision automatic weapons? They had duels where one could openly kill another if both accepted to a duel. Of course no one would duel now a days with guns as powerful as they are, but even still the fact that we're done with dueling shows how much more civilized we've grown (well, most of us.)
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Who cares? [by Anonymous Citizen on June 10, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5475 (Banning assault weapons)
So what if the creators of the Constitution didn't envision automatic weapons? They had duels where one could openly kill another if both accepted to a duel. Of course no one would duel now a days with guns as powerful as they are, but even still the fact that we're done with dueling shows how much more civilized we've grown (well, most of us.)
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I disagree [by Anonymous Citizen on June 10, 2008]
about 2005 Senate Bill 5475 (Banning assault weapons)
It would be wonderful if we could ask other countries to not attack us, and never worry again, but that's not how things work in real life. We can't just ask people to stop using drugs so we made them illegal, and now we have drug dealers. If we start banning guns, the only people who will have them are our police, military, and anyone smart enough and wreckless enough to do some damage. Removing citizens of their right to bear arms is an almost communistic view of ruling.
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Weather Changes [by Anonymous Citizen on June 9, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2815 (greenhouse gas emissions and green collar jobs)
Today is a record setting coldest day in Seattle for June two weeks before the offical start of summer. Also today, the east coast is experiencing triple diget degree weather very early in the season.

Global warming effects the entire globe but not always in the same way. This isn't the sky is falling. This isn't crying wolf. It's opening your eyes and seeing what is happening to the world we call home.
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Thank You Olympia [by Anonymous Citizen on June 9, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2815 (greenhouse gas emissions and green collar jobs)
Please site your sources. I've never seen any documentation validating the claim that 99% of climate scientists believe in global warming and that it is mainly due to mankind.
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What is the status? [by Anonymous Citizen on June 8, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1011 (Revising provisions relating to alien firearm licenses.)
Does anybody know that status of this bill? Did it fail or pass?

When is it expected to get voted on?
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Moonbat [by Anonymous Citizen on June 5, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2420 (Establishing a carbon tax.)
Will you please explain how more taxes will improve the environment, does the ozone layer accept cash. All this new tax will do is fund more moronic research projects. While the rising cost of petroleum products is already crippling the country, the last thing we need to do allow our government to do is tax it further. Everyone, please go to grassfire.org & sign the petition & send faxes to congress to let our leaders know how you feel about this issue
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Some more info [by Anonymous Citizen on May 28, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1011 (Revising provisions relating to alien firearm licenses.)
I have found that many Washingtonians are not clear about 'aliens' and we need to define terms.
A green card holder like myself cannot apply for citizenship until a certain amount of time has passed, so legal aliens are not 'avoiding' becoming citizens.
Some 'aliens' are here legally but are not legal residents - for example, if Tony Blair came here on holiday he could not accept an invitation to go clay pigeons shooting with his hosts
Green card holders have already had interviews by the U.S. government offices /Embassies and have had physical examinations by government approved doctors and mental assessments and FBI investigations into them and their family. They have been measured and weighed and photographed and fingerprinted and had blood samples taken.
Why cannot the Washington Licensing authorities accept people who have had this level of scrutiny already ? If they would, then it would not solve the whole problem but it would be a good start.

Every legal 'alien'in Washington is very much against illegal immigration but many Washingtonians immediately think of illegals when they think of 'aliens'. I pay Federal tax on my world wide income just like a citizen and spend all my income into the Washington economy

The history of Washington State with it's treatment of Asians many years ago where they were not allowed to buy property or even rent is a thing of the past and all countries have regretable episodes in their pasts, including my own. Those episodes make it more important that issues regarding LEGAL 'aliens' should be treated in a modern and more enlightened fashion and Washington has an opportunity to do that at zero cost, allowing freedom only to responsible, validated, legal aliens.

Come on Washington; shows like 'Frazier' promoted Seattle as modern and sophisticated, so let's get the laws up to date so that image of the State is promoted and not undermined by these hang-overs from the past

So long as the changes benefit Washingtonians and keep them safe then there is no reason to hang back. The extra revenue will pay for the Police to crack down more on illegals and criminals.



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Lane Spliting not what it appears [by Anonymous Citizen on May 27, 2008]
about 2005 House Bill 1176 (Allowing motorcycles between lanes during congestion)
I drive every day in that congested traffic, and in the traffic that flows into the congestion on California highways. Let me first state that lane changing at 25 mph is a joke. Motorcyclists lane split at much higher speeds, and that includes law enforcement officers. I live in fear that I will hit someone in my blind side one day. And, by the way, in the past month I have seen at least four accidents on the road I travel where that very thing happened. Stop this dangerous practice if you can. I wish that California was a bit more concerned about the safety of motorcyclists. I for one would be more than willing to let them take up an extra space in the flow than to worry about killing one of them.
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Lawyers and attorneys - [by Anonymous Citizen on May 17, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2771 (creating an administrative sobriety check point)
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challenge it [by Anonymous Citizen on May 14, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
show up at the kent courthouse on thursday,,may 15th..10:30 am..law on trial and im gonna be there wearing red and carrying a sign with a lot of other people..everyone who dont like the state nanny,,,be there...pro poker players will be there to talk..look up PPA (poker players alliance) on net and see what you can do..This is a real good example of a law bought and paid for by casinos with no real good logic for its existance..it costs me 10 in gas and at least 40 to play at a casino...I can play for a couple of bucks and no gas online..wheres the logic..

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hogman [by Anonymous Citizen on May 11, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2424 (Regarding grocery checkout bags)
I see and hear all sorts of figures thrown around.Does anyone know the volume of 1 million plastic plastic grocery bags and the amount of oil required to produce this many ?
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Are you people that ignorant [by Anonymous Citizen on May 11, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2422 (Prohibiting the sale of petroleum-based water bottles)
The bill does not cover water bottles as in bottles that hold water. Its "bottles" that contain any liquid. When someone uses the term water bottle its being used as a generic term. Just like "Band-aid" is a brand name but everyone uses it in a generic context to describe what they want. Same as "Kleenx".
By cutting back on the use of plastic bottles we cut back on the amount going to a landfill and the amount of petroleum used to produce the bottles resulting in a cleaner enviroment and lower crude oil prices.
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wrong idiot [by Anonymous Citizen on May 9, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2911 (removing public records exemptions regarding collective bargaining)
if someone from high wants to hunt you down and kill you, you need to hide your records...not "only if your hiding something"...
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grandparent visitation [by Anonymous Citizen on May 9, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
Why? Because there is no such thing as grandparent visitation rights. A right is something you're entitled to. Therefore, there can't be grandparents visitation rights. You have no rights, can't you get that through your head? It's up to the parents in WA State. Not the courts. The US Supreme Court, WA Supreme Court, and Court of Appeals made that clear. Anybody who would go against parents deserves to be shunned, and cut out of the childrens lives.
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My grandson [by Anonymous Citizen on May 8, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
My son was killed. My 6 year old grandson and his mother lived with us for the first year and a half,following his death. We supported them and loved them. She rconciled with her parents and moved to Washington, while we were gone and without so much as a thank you. (She left because of the money she owed us). I have pleaded with her to let us talk to our grandson, by email. She refuses, she will not give the cards we send, and I am worried about him and what affect this has had on him, since he was never able to say good bye. Her parents are both alcholics and smoke pot. All I want is to be able to communicate with him as he grows up and tell him about his daddy. Is that so wrong? Why can't the courts allow reasonable contact between grandchild and grandparents when the death of a parent occurs and the living parent just wants the child to forget us?
There needs to be a law to protect the welfare of the child and grandchildren deserve to know their grandparents love them, even if it only comes through the phone and mail system.
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the other grandparent [by Anonymous Citizen on May 8, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
I am the other grandparent. The mother's mother has put my son and his family through abuse charges that were proved to be false. She did not return the children when she had visitation always filing charges. We went to comtempt of court to get the children back. He was given sole custody in the custody battle. Now we go to court as she has petitioned to see the grandchildren. My son now fights for his right to protect his children who are now afraid they will not be coming home to him. I feel both sides should be evaluated. I feel that the courts should be a little more receptive to the fathers plea of sanctuary for his children. It is a sad day when we need to fight for our rights as parents to protect our children even from grandparents!
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Pathetic [by Anonymous Citizen on May 5, 2008]
about 2006 Senate Bill 6613 (Banning internet gambling)
Even banks won't let you decide where you're going to spend your money with your debit card (i.e. an ATM at a casino).

The government and the banks need to get out of our spending habits and our bedrooms. It's none of their business.

I'd be more than happy to pay the tax on my gambling earnings from online casinos. That is, if I was allowed to play.......
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[by Anonymous Citizen on May 1, 2008]
about 2003 Senate Bill 5559
radiation Yost antisemitism reincarnation ingot network!terminators oppresses
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Frustrated [by Anonymous Citizen on April 28, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
I am so glad that other people are able to express what I'm feeling. My mother abused me and my sibling and now a judge gave my daughter to her. i don't believe in hitting my kids because of what she did to me and I have raised good kids. But now my daughter is being brain washed into believing lies about me and other members of her family. I am happy to see that others feel the same way about grandparents already had there chance and now its ours!
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Frustrated and Lost [by Anonymous Citizen on April 28, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
I am a single mother of two great kids and I am fighting this battle now. My so called mother potitioned the court for grandparents rights. She won that case and now she has potitioned the court for custody. The Judge due to his byass against single mothers gave temp custody to her. He did not listen to the facts, such as she has a record of child abuse, and drug addiction. I have been raising my kids alone for along time. I don't abuse or neglect them. I don't do drugs and I work. I don't use the system to support my kids but I have been made out to be a bad mother because I am single and don't own a home. This Judge has taken my daughter and given the grandmother all rights. I have seen my daughter two times in three months and there is nothing I can do about it. My daugter wants to live there because the grandparents don't say no and buy her everything. The next court date keeps getting moved and I'm running out of money for the attorney bills. The court system is only for the people with money and because I work I can't get legal aid. I dont know where to turn for help financially and emotionally. I live in Ohio where gradually parents are loosing all there rights and noone will help.
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Grandparent Visitation in WA [by Anonymous Citizen on April 26, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
You make me sick. Why do you think you have rights to someone elses children? Stay out of their life. If you have a lawsuit on your mind, you should be banished from their lives forever. You don't even know how hard a lawsuit would be on them. GET LOST. You are only thinking about yourselves. SCREW YOU
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Grandparent Visitation [by Anonymous Citizen on April 26, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
Please don't be a narcissist. STAY OUT OF YOUR CHILDRENS LIVES, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO> YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO RAISE THEM. NOW IT"S THIER TURN. TRY TO WORK ON YOUR RELATIONSHIP, INSTEAD OF THINKING ABOUT SUING. YOU ARE SICK AND MANIPULATIVE. STAY OUT OF THEIR LIVES. ARE YOU SICK?
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Grandparent Visitation [by Anonymous Citizen on April 26, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
There is no such thing as grandparent visitation rights in Washington State. Both the US Supremce Court and WA State Supreme Court, along with the WA Court Of Appeals concluded that grandparent visitation is an Unconstitutional Infringement on parental rights, both Facially, and As Applied. Those legislators who try to introduce new bills are working against the parents of this state, and should be thrown out of office, people like Rep Ruth Kagi, who works for special interests like the organization called GROW, and the AARP.
There is no law in WA State, just like Florida, the only two states without this Unconstitutional Law. Make sure to keep it that way.....
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Grandparents aren't all bad. [by Anonymous Citizen on April 21, 2008]
about 2007 Senate Bill 5071 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
The other side of your arguement would be less than perfect parents. They do exist.
In our case a fued between our son and daughter kept us from being allowed to see grandchild. This doesn't make us unfit lunatics.
Both parents of the child refuse to work. This doesn't make us terrible grandparents.
Both parents party non-stop and have house guests 24/7. Why or how does this make us bad grandparents.
We often have to purchase formula and diapers for grandson. Are we bad yet?
Do you believe if no contact is granted that later in life the grandchild won't want to see or meet their grandparents? More traumatic later in life for the child to meet family members than having it would be to have constant contact and support throughout their young lives.
Get my point?
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condo internal insurance [by Anonymous Citizen on April 20, 2008]
about 2003 Senate Bill 5559
Moiseyev.prophecy propelling:forfeiture headache spreadsheet:indeterminate:outcries
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Ditto [by Anonymous Citizen on April 15, 2008]
about 2007 House Bill 1108 (Concerning visitation rights for grandparents.)
I really sympathize with you on this one.
Saying you are held hostage buy the kids you raised is putting the hurt mildly.
We too, have been blamed for every bad decision our son has made and every thing we did not give into during the time we raised him. He has grown tall and straight even so. He found his wife's parents to be more to his liking (they spoil him sinfully and because they have no male children, they have treated him like their own). For that we are greatful however, now that he has a psuedo set of parents, unfortunately, we are expendable. When our Granddaughter was born, from that point forward she was used as a tool in leveraging his wants against us. When we did not give in and buy him whaever he thought he needed at the time, we were outcast and not included in the family, we went for three years without even being allowed to send her a birthday or Christmas gift...all were returned spitefully.
Then suddenly, he was faced with a possible divorce and financial dire-straits and reached out to us. We, of course, let our love over-rule our hurt feelings and took him/them back open arms, paid most of the oppressive bills they had and helped in other ways to set them back on the path to success. Then, after they had worked out their issues both marital and financial, the leveraging started anew. We couldn't afford to buy them a new washer and dryer set to replace the ones that broke, so the parents in law rode in to the rescue and now, we are back to square one. We have not seen them nor have we been allowed to even send a card. We have been again spurned. Talk about crushing hurt.
From what we have been told from our granddaughter herself, in a chance meeting at a public childrens play center where we had taken our other two grandchildren, we were told that she (our granddaughter-now 4) would see us when she was 16 and would not be allowed to see us before then. Then, without even a sideways glance at us, our son scolded her for talking to us and hustled her away.
We have longed for some way to press for grandparental visitation rights but then again, should the courts finally allow it again, I doubt we would press for it anymore.
As grandparents, we feel it is far more important for our granddaughter to have a strong family relationship with her parents rather than have to be dragged like a tug of war rope between two factions at odds with each other.
What we are doing now is banking on the fact that someday, as usually happens with adopted kids and those separated from one or the other parent by divorce, that someday she will seek us out. We have therefore been accumulating and storing all the cards, small gifts, and other treasures and things grandparents save for their granchildren, in a storage box for her. We will be at her graduation and any other public event where our son and wife cannot restrict us from being. Any sports event she choses to partake in etc, she will know we were there cheering her on. When that time comes and she seeks us out and is ready to know and absorb facts in a better mindset than as a small child, she will know that it was not by our choice that we didn't see her and that even though not allowed, our love for her was/is no less.
Sorry for being so long winded but we thought you might take solice in that you are not alone and perhaps can take action in a like way, to salvage the love of your grandchildren when they finally throw off the shackles of oppression inflicted by immature and self-centered parents.
Take care and may God grant you strength and peace.
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...... [by Anonymous Citizen on April 15, 2008]
about 2008 House Bill 2422 (Prohibiting the sale of petroleum-based water bottles)
Hey keyword is pertoleum based bottles which take hundreds of years to degrade. There are alternatives to petrol based bottled plastics that are biodegradable just little more expensive. I suggest before anyone makes another ignorant comment that they research the issue. Alright? Thanks
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